Ok, but what about the money he raised through his website? Does his son (who won't take his meds in public) even have CF? Isn't this a much worse fraud perpetrated on kind-hearted donors than the fabulosity of his running feats?
An article published in the New Yorker goes through an extremely thorough independent fact-checking process. Kip's son does have CF. As Mr. Singer suggests, maybe Kip wanted to be hero and inspiration to family and that's what drove him to do this.
Anon, the NYer article quotes a CF Foundation spokeswoman as saying Litton has contributed only $20 to them. Such a weird story and such a weird man. Sounds like he's a pathological liar, so who knows what if any parts of his story are true? I was looking at his online listings. His bio includes this line: "For his academic and charitable endeavors, he was named one of the University Men of Michigan, an honor bestowed on only 12 students." The University Men of Michigan? Besides the fact that this is a really strange award from a coed institution (unless maybe coming from a frat), I can turn up absolutely no such award in a web search.
I am a friend of Kip's wife. I have been to many fund raisers that they have conducted in their own home. Each time at least a hundred people were there. I can tell you that by what I saw, and the items auctioned off, that well over $10,000 was donated each time. My husband also has his own business, so I know that both of them have made substantial donations through their business, not as an individual. These rumors are obviously malicious lies! They are a lovely couple, honest and very generous. Anyone who knows them will tell you this.
I wouldn't call thus a rumor. The reporter who wrote the article contacted the charitable organization that was supposed to receive donations. The reporter's contact at this organization said they'd only received $20 from Kip.
It's possible that Kip took the money from the auction and made the donations through his professional office, and therefore it wouldn't show up under his name. However, it is still a true statement that only $20 came from Kip. It's not a lie, since it's from the source, and it's not malicious, since it's just a statement of fact.
However, it is unproven that Kip's office has made any donations. Neither he, the New Yorker reporter, or the representative from the CF foundation, has said this.
"I am a friend of Kip's wife. I have been to many fund raisers that they have conducted in their own home. Each time at least a hundred people were there. I can tell you that by what I saw, and the items auctioned off, that well over $10,000 was donated each time. My husband also has his own business, so I know that both of them have made substantial donations through their business, not as an individual. These rumors are obviously malicious lies! They are a lovely couple, honest and very generous. Anyone who knows them will tell you this."
Hi, "friend of Kip's wife," that's a nice alias, because Kip would also be a "friend of Kip's wife," so it's apropos whether you are Kip or in the unlikely event that you aren't. Even assuming your story is true, that kind-hearted people spent over $10,000 at each of several auctions, doesn't mean that 1 cent of the over $10,000 raised at each auction ever made it into the hands of the charity!
I know someone whose husband died of CF. It was gut-wrenching to watch. It was a slow dance that lasted 15 years. She was despondent for a year, even after they had divorced about 5 years before he died. It's despicable to dishonestly use people's compassion for such a disease to promote their own grandiose and perverse pathologies. Hey Kip, is that you in "Anonymous" from Sept. 9, 2012? I once worked for someone who was a pathological liar. A very dangerous person who was able to fool 95 percent of the people. That person pretty much destroyed things and people around them. I'm at least glad your pathology has not physically harmed anyone, yet. Get some help while you're still ahead.
These races have their own measures in place to deal with rule violators, they disqualify them, period. The magnitude of these attacks on Kip Litton exponentially exceed any violations that may have occurred. To continue to dwell on potential infractions from 3, 4 or 5 years ago is sociopathic. What is the point? This is one of the worst over-reactions and vindictive display of unjustified piling on I have ever seen! Please people, focus on something current and relevant and leave this poor family alone to assist their child in his battle against a deadly disease.
Earth to Sickos, are you Dr Litton? Why do you accuse Mark Singer, the road racing community and New Yorker readers as being "sociopathic?" why do you describe the violations as "potential infractions?" cutting courses are not "potential infractions." cutting courses is cheating. Dr Litton waits minutes to cross the starting line long after the sub3 hr runners take off, then he crosses the starting line dressed in civilian clothing with other 5-6 hr slower marathoners. No one knows what dr Litton does after that. Then dr Litton re enters the course further along dressed more like a sub3hr runner and comes across the finish line. Dr Litton then sometimes emails the RD asking for an award and he is told he is disqualified. Then when he is disqualified, he later says he self DQ. Once the running community figured out littons MO in late 2010, Kip was never seen racing again. He always has some excuse and now claims to be victim of a massive witch hunt or was in a Car accident and other bullshit excuses.
The latest seems to be saying we're all sick in the head for following him like this.
"Please people, focus on something current and relevant and leave this poor family alone to assist their child in his battle against a deadly disease."
"These races have their own measures in place to deal with rule violators, they disqualify them, period."
Wrong. Many of the races didn't realize Kip had cheated until it was brought to their attention. Thank goodness some of these people were 1) paying attention; and 2) willing to SPEAK UP when they saw something wrong.
YOU are what's wrong in this country. You try to attack the true heroes in this story. People that have values, a sense of right & wrong, and are willing to make a difference by speaking up despite receiving bogus attacks by Kip Litton's aliases and/or people like you. Too many people nowadays know something is wrong, but are too PC or afraid/unwilling to publicly call out the wrongdoers. That kind of behavior is what enables the Kip Littons of the world to slither around and pull off scams for half a century without getting caught or outed publicly.
You carelessly throw around terms like sociopathic. It's ironic, because the person most demonstrating sociopathic qualities in this story is Kip Litton himself. Shame on you, and him, for trying to use a sick child as a shield.
People should be aware of who they are dealing with. Anyone dealing with Kip Litton either personally or professionally should do so with eyes wide open. Open eyes are good for forcing integrity on those who have trouble with it on their own.
Kip has run 25 verified marathons with an average time of 2:58. He is 5 time dentist of the year. He is a pillar of the community. You can't spin him into a bad guy. End of story.
Hi Kip/reputation dot com. Kip was disqualified from 8 marathons and is suspected of cheating in many others Kip made up 3 races including the West Wyoming Marathon. Kip has never legitimately broken 3 hours for a marathon. What does being a good dentist have to do with cheating in races?
I find it hilarious that after it has been proven he creates aliases and pretends to be someone else speaking up in his favor that "someone" comes onto this site and defends him but won't provide any reason to believe that they aren't Litton himself. I only started running over the last two years, so I'm only just now learning about him (after the recent Mike Rossi scandal brought out a comparison to Litton) and i think the story is fascinating. But I do NOT believe that anyone other than Litton himself would come onto this site to speak in his favor.
Ok, but what about the money he raised through his website? Does his son (who won't take his meds in public) even have CF? Isn't this a much worse fraud perpetrated on kind-hearted donors than the fabulosity of his running feats?
ReplyDeleteAn article published in the New Yorker goes through an extremely thorough independent fact-checking process. Kip's son does have CF. As Mr. Singer suggests, maybe Kip wanted to be hero and inspiration to family and that's what drove him to do this.
ReplyDeleteAnon, the NYer article quotes a CF Foundation spokeswoman as saying Litton has contributed only $20 to them. Such a weird story and such a weird man. Sounds like he's a pathological liar, so who knows what if any parts of his story are true? I was looking at his online listings. His bio includes this line: "For his academic and charitable endeavors, he was named one of the University Men of Michigan, an honor bestowed on only 12 students." The University Men of Michigan? Besides the fact that this is a really strange award from a coed institution (unless maybe coming from a frat), I can turn up absolutely no such award in a web search.
ReplyDeleteI am a friend of Kip's wife. I have been to many fund raisers that they have conducted in their own home. Each time at least a hundred people were there. I can tell you that by what I saw, and the items auctioned off, that well over $10,000 was donated each time. My husband also has his own business, so I know that both of them have made substantial donations through their business, not as an individual. These rumors are obviously malicious lies! They are a lovely couple, honest and very generous. Anyone who knows them will tell you this.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't call thus a rumor. The reporter who wrote the article contacted the charitable organization that was supposed to receive donations. The reporter's contact at this organization said they'd only received $20 from Kip.
DeleteIt's possible that Kip took the money from the auction and made the donations through his professional office, and therefore it wouldn't show up under his name. However, it is still a true statement that only $20 came from Kip. It's not a lie, since it's from the source, and it's not malicious, since it's just a statement of fact.
However, it is unproven that Kip's office has made any donations. Neither he, the New Yorker reporter, or the representative from the CF foundation, has said this.
"I am a friend of Kip's wife. I have been to many fund raisers that they have conducted in their own home. Each time at least a hundred people were there. I can tell you that by what I saw, and the items auctioned off, that well over $10,000 was donated each time. My husband also has his own business, so I know that both of them have made substantial donations through their business, not as an individual. These rumors are obviously malicious lies! They are a lovely couple, honest and very generous. Anyone who knows them will tell you this."
DeleteHi Kip! Nice of you to sockpuppet some more.
Hi, "friend of Kip's wife," that's a nice alias, because Kip would also be a "friend of Kip's wife," so it's apropos whether you are Kip or in the unlikely event that you aren't. Even assuming your story is true, that kind-hearted people spent over $10,000 at each of several auctions, doesn't mean that 1 cent of the over $10,000 raised at each auction ever made it into the hands of the charity!
DeleteI know someone whose husband died of CF. It was gut-wrenching to watch. It was a slow dance that lasted 15 years. She was despondent for a year, even after they had divorced about 5 years before he died. It's despicable to dishonestly use people's compassion for such a disease to promote their own grandiose and perverse pathologies. Hey Kip, is that you in "Anonymous" from Sept. 9, 2012? I once worked for someone who was a pathological liar. A very dangerous person who was able to fool 95 percent of the people. That person pretty much destroyed things and people around them. I'm at least glad your pathology has not physically harmed anyone, yet. Get some help while you're still ahead.
ReplyDeleteThese races have their own measures in place to deal with rule violators, they disqualify them, period. The magnitude of these attacks on Kip Litton exponentially exceed any violations that may have occurred. To continue to dwell on potential infractions from 3, 4 or 5 years ago is sociopathic. What is the point? This is one of the worst over-reactions and vindictive display of unjustified piling on I have ever seen! Please people, focus on something current and relevant and leave this poor family alone to assist their child in his battle against a deadly disease.
ReplyDeleteEarth to Sickos, are you Dr Litton? Why do you accuse Mark Singer, the road racing community and New Yorker readers as being "sociopathic?" why do you describe the violations as "potential infractions?" cutting courses are not "potential infractions." cutting courses is cheating. Dr Litton waits minutes to cross the starting line long after the sub3 hr runners take off, then he crosses the starting line dressed in civilian clothing with other 5-6 hr slower marathoners. No one knows what dr Litton does after that. Then dr Litton re enters the course further along dressed more like a sub3hr runner and comes across the finish line. Dr Litton then sometimes emails the RD asking for an award and he is told he is disqualified. Then when he is disqualified, he later says he self DQ. Once the running community figured out littons MO in late 2010, Kip was never seen racing again. He always has some excuse and now claims to be victim of a massive witch hunt or was in a
DeleteCar accident and other bullshit excuses.
The latest seems to be saying we're all sick in the head for following him like this.
"Please people, focus on something current and relevant and leave this poor family alone to assist their child in his battle against a deadly disease."
DeleteYou could simply not cheat, Kip.
"These races have their own measures in place to deal with rule violators, they disqualify them, period."
DeleteWrong. Many of the races didn't realize Kip had cheated until it was brought to their attention. Thank goodness some of these people were 1) paying attention; and 2) willing to SPEAK UP when they saw something wrong.
YOU are what's wrong in this country. You try to attack the true heroes in this story. People that have values, a sense of right & wrong, and are willing to make a difference by speaking up despite receiving bogus attacks by Kip Litton's aliases and/or people like you. Too many people nowadays know something is wrong, but are too PC or afraid/unwilling to publicly call out the wrongdoers. That kind of behavior is what enables the Kip Littons of the world to slither around and pull off scams for half a century without getting caught or outed publicly.
You carelessly throw around terms like sociopathic. It's ironic, because the person most demonstrating sociopathic qualities in this story is Kip Litton himself. Shame on you, and him, for trying to use a sick child as a shield.
People should be aware of who they are dealing with. Anyone dealing with Kip Litton either personally or professionally should do so with eyes wide open. Open eyes are good for forcing integrity on those who have trouble with it on their own.
Kip has run 25 verified marathons with an average time of 2:58.
ReplyDeleteHe is 5 time dentist of the year.
He is a pillar of the community.
You can't spin him into a bad guy.
End of story.
Hi Kip/reputation dot com.
DeleteKip was disqualified from 8 marathons and is suspected of cheating in many others
Kip made up 3 races including the West Wyoming Marathon.
Kip has never legitimately broken 3 hours for a marathon.
What does being a good dentist have to do with cheating in races?
I find it hilarious that after it has been proven he creates aliases and pretends to be someone else speaking up in his favor that "someone" comes onto this site and defends him but won't provide any reason to believe that they aren't Litton himself. I only started running over the last two years, so I'm only just now learning about him (after the recent Mike Rossi scandal brought out a comparison to Litton) and i think the story is fascinating. But I do NOT believe that anyone other than Litton himself would come onto this site to speak in his favor.
ReplyDelete