Tuesday, January 18, 2011
Marshall Univ Marathon
"WHOA. I've been reading the whole thread on letsrun, and this is some story. But I didn't get personally touched by this. Until a bell went off last night, and I confirmed it this morning.
In November I ran the Marshall U Marathon at Huntington. Very nice race, but there were some issues with the results. They initially had the wrong top women in the half, and I noticed a couple odd things with top-20 marathoners. So I investigated a little, helped by photos posted at tristateracer.com (pictures taken at the start, about 4-5 miles in, and at the finish). I wrote to the race director, and he was very receptive, and things got fixed within a couple days. My finish was upgraded from 20th to 18th, and I was happy the mistakes were fixed.
This morning I looked at my note to the race director. I'll just quote myself here from the e-mail of 11/11/10, emphasis added:
"I looked at all the photos in Mile 5 and could not find David Kipling, bib 506. He had no chip time at the Half mark. He does cross the finish line at 2:56:25, but it looks like he didn't run the whole marathon. He might have switched to the half without going through registration, or perhaps he got hurt during the race and decided to move to the half. Nothing on him at Athlinks.com; 49-yr-old sub-3 guys don't just come out of the blue."
I just figured it was an honest mistake. RD corrected it and took Mr. Kipling out of the final results. (He doesn't appear in the half results, either.) No photo at mile 5. I haven't yet looked to see if 506 was at the start, but here he is jogging across the finish line with the 13-1/2 minute per mile half-marathoners: http://digital-sports-images.smugmug.com/Sports/2010-Marshall-Marathon-Finish/14552801_7QiKa#1082401382_tdYVz-A-LB . You can't see real close up, but we do have the black cap, dark glasses, and low-placed bib.
The timer and race director removed David Kipling from the results, so I don't have a hometown, but my note above indicates his age was listed as 49. This race was small and while we had timing chips, there was no chip mat at the start, so everyone just had gun time for results. I don't think there was any chip mat on the course either. Somebody who wanted to cheat could have just put their bib on and run the last half mile. If "Kipling" had run a couple hundred yards at my pace where they were taking pictures by the river near mile 5, he'd have gotten away with it.
I don't post on letsrun, but if anyone here does and wants to pass this story along, it's fine with me."
Read more: http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?thread=3863010&page=55#ixzz1BQKLLqCW
"Marathon Guide lists results for the Marshall U Marathon with David Kipling's 2:56 time. Hometown is listed as stuart, FL."
http://www.marathonguide.com/results/browse.cfm?MIDD=2207101107&Gen=M&Begin=1&End=100&Max=353
http://www.marathonguide.com/results/browse.cfm?MIDD=2207101107&Gen=M&Begin=1&End=100&Max=353
Monday, January 17, 2011
Kip Litton Timeline v5
| Date | Event | Gun Time | Chip Time | Difference | Key Suspicions | Link(s) to Relevant Info |
| 10/29/06 | Detroit Free Press 5K | 00:21:33 | 00:19:15 | 00:02:18 | Start Delay. Masters winner. | Results |
| 10/21/07 | Detroit Free Press Marathon | 02:53:57 | 02:50:57 | 00:03:00 | Start Delay. doesn't appear in the results, missed the half marathon mat | Results |
| 10/05/08 | Inaugural Brooksie Way Half Marathon (Michigan) | ? | 01:19:36 | ? | registered as alias “Rich Rodriguez.” Pictures show subject fitting description of KL | Link-Brooksie08 |
| 02/15/09 | Sarasota Half Marathon | ? | 01:21:26 | ? | photos at finish | Link-Sara09 |
| 02/28/09 | Publix Super Markets Gasparilla Distance Classic Race Weekend – 5K | 00:22:29 | 00:18:27 | 00:04:02 | Photos show subject walking during 18:27 5K | Link-Gasp09 |
| 02/28/09 | Publix Super Markets Gasparilla Distance Classic Race Weekend – 15K | 01:01:47 | 00:58:41 | 00:03:06 | 33:07 for 1st Half (7.5K) | Link-Gasp09 |
| 02/28/09 | Publix Super Markets Gasparilla Distance Classic Race Weekend – Marathon | 03:00:46 | 02:56:39 | 00:04:07 | 1:34:11 for 1st Half | Link-Gasp09 |
| 04/19/09 | BAA Boston 5K Road Race | 00:21:48 | 00:18:52 | 00:02:56 | 2:56 start delay. 18:52. 91st of 3524 finishers. | Results |
| 05/23/09 | Bayshore (Michigan) Marathon | 02:55:40 | 02:52:58 | 00:02:42 | 1:30:13 1st Half; 1:22:45 2nd Half | Link-Shamrock |
| 08/22/09 | Crim (Michigan) 10 mile | ? | 00:56:55 | ? | unusually fast time; “removed” from official results, result is still listed on Athlinks.com; report from Clarkston Kent says he dropped out at 5miles and inexplicably appeared near finish and ran across | Note from Ouch1000; Athlinks |
| 09/06/09 | New Mexico Marathon | 02:58:38 | 02:57:53 | 00:00:45 | 5000ft Altitude; 2nd overall; delayed start; 4th place finisher swears he didn't see him | New Mexico |
| 10/04/09 | City of Trees (Idaho) Marathon | ? | 02:55:45 | ? | Race Director DQ for awards – missing from photographs at key locations along race course | Link-CoT |
| 10/18/09 | Detroit Free Press Marathon Relay | ? | ? | ? | RACE DIRECTOR DQ subsequent to investigation of relay team | |
| 11/01/09 | Manchester City Marathon (NH) | ? | 02:54:06 | ? | Negative split – 1:28:13, 1:25:53; race is hillier and more difficult in 2nd half | Link-Result |
| 01/17/10 | PF Chang Arizona Marathon | 02:55:28 | 02:51:21 | 00:04:07 | video; net difference | Link - Arizona; Video(youTube) |
| 02/27/10 | Gasparilla 15K | 00:57:11 | 00:54:05 | 00:03:06 | went through half in 29:11(7.5K) | Link-Gasp10 |
| 02/27/10 | Gasparilla 5K | 00:20:40 | 00:17:33 | 00:03:07 | walking @17:33 5K | Link-Gasp10 |
| 02/27/10 | Gasparilla Marathon | 02:57:56 | 02:53:52 | 00:04:04 | 1:31:01 1st half | Link-Gasp10 |
| 03/20/10 | Shamrock (Virginia) 8K | 00:35:15 | 00:29:10 | 00:06:05 | long sleeve & long pants, finished with slower people because he started so far back | Link-Shamrock |
| 03/21/10 | Shamrock (Virginia) Marathon | 02:56:53 | 02:53:15 | 00:03:38 | outfit change (pants, jacket) | Link-Shamrock |
| 04/11/10 | Go! St. Louis Marathon | 02:59:31 | 02:54:25 | 00:05:06 | missing splits for 6miles & 20miles, and all other in finishers in the top 20 (Kip was 19th) have these splits | Link-St.Louis |
| 04/18/10 | BAA Boston 5K Road Race | 00:21:21 | 00:17:17 | 00:04:04 | large difference from gun v. net (4:04)...17:17 net 5K (5:34 pace/mile) in a baggy blue windbreaker and long pants | Link-BAA5K |
| 04/19/10 | BAA BOSTON MARATHON | ? | 02:52:12 | ? | outfit change (pants, ball cap) | Link-Boston |
| 05/02/10 | Providence COX Marathon | 02:56:13 | 02:52:39 | 00:03:34 | outfit change (shoes, shorts) | Link-Prov |
| 05/16/10 | Delaware Marathon | DISQUALIFIED – 02:57:16 | N/A | N/A | RACE DIRECTOR DQ | Link-Del |
| 05/30/10 | KeyBank Vermont City Marathon | 02:53:36 | 02:49:02 | 00:04:34 | net difference; 6:11/mi for final 10K | Link-VT |
| 06/06/10 | Deadwood – Mickelson South Dakota Trail Marathon | DISQUALIFIED | N/A | N/A | RACE DIRECTOR DQ | Link-SD |
| 07/03/10 | West Wyoming Marathon | Race doesnt exist – FABRICATED a 02:56:12 | N/A | N/A | FABRICATION – Kip came in 1st place but Race does NOT EXIST! (confirmed by marathonguide.com) | Link - Wyoming |
| 07/11/10 | Missoula Montana Marathon | DISQUALIFIED – 02:49 | N/A | N/A | RACE DIRECTOR DQ | Link-Missoula Info; Note from RaceDirector ; Video(youTube) |
| 08/28/10 | Crim (Michigan) 10 mile | DNS – Injury | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A |
| 09/12/10 | MVP Healthcare Rochester (NY) Marathon | 02:57:59 | 02:57:25 | 00:00:34 | outfit change (green l/s); start video; 1st Master - $300 prize money, start time of 34seconds, with only 13 slower starting runners in a field of about 600 | Link-Rochester; Video(@51secs); Results |
| 10/03/10 | Maine Half Marathon | ? | 01:28:14 | ? | may be indicative of fitness level; told subject followed by person on bike to ensure subject completed full distance. | Link-Maine |
| 11/20/10 | Sandy Springs (Atlanta, GA) Half Marathon | Race doesnt exist – FABRICATED – 1:20:44 | N/A | N/A | FABRICATION – Race does NOT EXIST! | Link-SS |
| 12/01/10 | Charlotte Thunderbird Marathon | 03:00:24 | 02:55:20 | 00:05:04 | 6:11pace from 13.1 to 20miles, bib covered & walking at finish | Link-Charlotte |
| 12/04/10 | Pine Hills 5K | Race doesnt exist – FABRICATED | N/A | N/A | FABRICATION – Race does NOT EXIST! | Link-PineHills |
Friday, January 14, 2011
The Kip Litton Timeline v3
| Date | Event | Gun Time | Chip Time | Difference | Key Suspicions | Link(s) to Relevant Info |
| 02/28/09 | Publix Super Markets Gasparilla Distance Classic Race Weekend – 5K | 00:22:29 | 00:18:27 | 00:04:02 | Photos show subject walking during 18:27 5K | Link-Gasp09 |
| 02/28/09 | Publix Super Markets Gasparilla Distance Classic Race Weekend – 15K | 01:01:47 | 00:58:41 | 00:03:06 | 33:07 for 1st Half (7.5K) | Link-Gasp09 |
| 02/28/09 | Publix Super Markets Gasparilla Distance Classic Race Weekend – Marathon | 03:00:46 | 02:56:39 | 00:04:07 | 1:34:11 for 1st Half | Link-Gasp09 |
| 05/23/09 | Bayshore (Michigan) Marathon | 02:55:40 | 02:52:58 | 00:02:42 | 1:30:13 1st Half; 1:22:45 2nd Half | Link-Shamrock |
| 08/22/09 | Crim (Michigan) 10 mile | ? | 00:56:55 | ? | unusually fast time; “removed” from official results, yet result is still listed on Athlinks.com | Athlinks |
| 09/06/09 | New Mexico Marathon | 02:58:38 | 02:57:53 | 00:00:45 | 5000ft Altitude; 2nd overall; delayed start; 4th place finisher swears he didn't see him | New Mexico |
| 10/04/09 | City of Trees (Idaho) Marathon | ? | 02:55:45 | ? | Race Director DQ for awards – missing from photographs at key locations along race course | Link-CoT |
| 10/18/09 | Detroit Free Press Marathon Relay | ? | ? | ? | RACE DIRECTOR DQ subsequent to investigation of relay team | |
| 11/01/09 | Manchester City Marathon (NH) | ? | 02:54:06 | ? | Negative split – 1:28:13, 1:25:53; race is hillier and more difficult in 2nd half | Link-Result |
| 01/17/10 | PF Chang Arizona Marathon | 02:55:28 | 02:51:21 | 00:04:07 | video; net difference | Link - Arizona; Video(youTube) |
| 02/27/10 | Gasparilla 15K | 00:57:11 | 00:54:05 | 00:03:06 | went through half in 29:11(7.5K) | Link-Gasp10 |
| 02/27/10 | Gasparilla 5K | 00:20:40 | 00:17:33 | 00:03:07 | walking @17:33 5K | Link-Gasp10 |
| 02/27/10 | Gasparilla Marathon | 02:57:56 | 02:53:52 | 00:04:04 | 1:31:01 1st half | Link-Gasp10 |
| 03/20/10 | Shamrock (Virginia) 8K | 00:35:15 | 00:29:10 | 00:06:05 | long sleeve & long pants, finished with slower people because he started so far back | Link-Shamrock |
| 03/21/10 | Shamrock (Virginia) Marathon | 02:56:53 | 02:53:15 | 00:03:38 | outfit change (pants, jacket) | Link-Shamrock |
| 04/11/10 | Go! St. Louis Marathon | 02:59:31 | 02:54:25 | 00:05:06 | missing splits for 6miles & 20miles, and all other in finishers in the top 20 (Kip was 19th) have these splits | Link-St.Louis |
| 04/18/10 | BAA Boston 5K Road Race | 00:21:21 | 00:17:17 | 00:04:04 | large difference from gun v. net (4:04)...17:17 net 5K (5:34 pace/mile) in a baggy blue windbreaker and long pants | Link-BAA5K |
| 04/19/10 | BAA BOSTON MARATHON | ? | 02:52:12 | ? | outfit change (pants, ball cap) | Link-Boston |
| 05/02/10 | Providence COX Marathon | 02:56:13 | 02:52:39 | 00:03:34 | outfit change (shoes, shorts) | Link-Prov |
| 05/16/10 | Delaware Marathon | DISQUALIFIED – 02:57:16 | N/A | N/A | RACE DIRECTOR DQ | Link-Del |
| 05/30/10 | KeyBank Vermont City Marathon | 02:53:36 | 02:49:02 | 00:04:34 | net difference; 6:11/mi for final 10K | Link-VT |
| 07/03/10 | West Wyoming Marathon | Race doesnt exist – FABRICATED a 02:56:12 | N/A | N/A | FABRICATION – Kip came in 1st place but Race does NOT EXIST! (confirmed by marathonguide.com) | Link - Wyoming |
| 07/11/10 | Missoula Montana Marathon | DISQUALIFIED – 02:49 | N/A | N/A | RACE DIRECTOR DQ | Link-Missoula Info; Note from RaceDirector ; Video(youTube) |
| 08/28/10 | Crim (Michigan) 10 mile | DNS – Injury | N/A | N/A | N/A | N/A |
| 09/12/10 | MVP Healthcare Rochester (NY) Marathon | 02:57:59 | 02:57:25 | 00:00:34 | 1st Master - $300 prize money, start time of 34seconds, with only 13 slower starting runners in a field of about 600; pictures show subject clutching at leg before the finish, walking across finish | Link-Rochester; Results |
| 10/03/10 | Maine Half Marathon | ? | 01:28:14 | ? | may be indicative of fitness level; told subject followed by person on bike to ensure subject completed full distance. | Link-Maine |
| 11/20/10 | Sandy Springs (Atlanta, GA) Half Marathon | Race doesnt exist – FABRICATED – 1:20:44 | N/A | N/A | FABRICATION – Race does NOT EXIST! | Link-SS |
| 12/01/10 | Charlotte Thunderbird Marathon | 03:00:24 | 02:55:20 | 00:05:04 | 6:11pace from 13.1 to 20miles, bib covered & walking at finish | Link-Charlotte |
| 12/04/10 | Pine Hills 5K | Race doesnt exist – FABRICATED | N/A | N/A | FABRICATION – Race does NOT EXIST! | Link-PineHills |
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